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Payroll & HR solutions

Paychex Flex Features

Features Summary

Functionality

4.1

/5

1.6K

Total features

67

13 categories

Paychex Flex features

360 Degree Feedback
401(k) Tracking
Access Controls/Permissions
Accounting Integration
Alerts/Notifications
Applicant Tracking
Approval Process Control
Assessment Management

Common features of Human Resources software

360 Degree Feedback
API
Access Controls/Permissions
Activity Dashboard
Applicant Tracking
Approval Process Control
Benefits Management
Calendar Management

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Functionality

4.1

/5

1.6K

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Total Features

67

Unique features

  • Data Security

  • Payroll Outsourcing

  • Biometric Recognition

Functionality

4.5

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6.9K

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Total Features

76

Features in Common

24

Unique features

  • Billing & Invoicing

  • Multi-Location

  • Multiple Billing Rates

  • Collaboration Tools

Functionality

4.8

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3K

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Total Features

205

Features in Common

63

Unique features

  • Approval Workflow

  • Contract/License Management

  • Multiple Billing Rates

  • Employee Management

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Daniel C.

Human Resources, 1,001-5,000 employees

Used daily for less than 6 months

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  • Likelihood to recommend9/10

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Paychex Flex helps us save time in incredible ways

Reviewed a year ago

I am the only one who uses Paychex Flex. I print Paychex Flex statements in the present or past. If employees require any payday or gift, I can revive pay stubs for them. It is possible to change personal/employee information if required. It is simple to use and is extremely useful. All my documents are close to my computer. On the occasions when I do checks, it is very comforting to be able to log into your account, extract all the documents I require in PDF form, store them and send them to the examiners. It is probably faster to make a copy at a digital print shop than to scan them into a lockbox as PDF documents. It helps me save a tremendous amount of time. I really like that thing. The time-saving is the totality of busy days.

Pros

Paychex Flex reports are present and run in a harmonious and happy pattern, so anyone who wants them can access them at any time. It makes life simpler and saves me some time. It is simple and fast to update my worker's personal/job data. All my work data is close to my computer. It is easy to access them to get a hard copy of their rules, so I can send them to the top management or auditors.

Cons

The only drawback I have noticed with Paychex Flex is that I was unable to find where it is possible to do a public school worker's course tax abatement from one of his coworker's tax deductions. It was simple to incorporate the new one, however it was not easy to remove the old one. However my Paychex representative was nimble and agile and did it for me.

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Katrina V.

Hospital & Health Care, 10,001+ employees

Used daily for 1-2 years

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  • Likelihood to recommend8/10

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Paychex Flex is great for completing payroll

Reviewed a year ago

I appreciate being able to check on the 401(k) and have the money go straight into employee accounts, saving time and effort. Since insurance coverage is now related directly to who has enrolled in which plans, processing payroll has become much more efficient.

Pros

From either the employer's or employee's perspective, the website couldn't be simpler to use. Filters and stored views make it easy to customize your payroll experience based on your current needs.

Cons

Over the years, I've seen a few different specialists. Obviously, not everyone has the same potential. When my allocated person hasn't been able to help me, I've found that the online chat staff is quite responsive and helpful.

JM
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Jessica M.

Alternative Medicine, 1-10 employees

Used daily for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend9/10

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Great time tracking software

Reviewed 2 months ago

Employees immediately appreciated the ease of clocking in and out using the Time Clock. With features like biometric login and mobile app integration, employees could quickly clock in from anywhere, at their desks, on the job site, or working remotely. This flexibility significantly improved the accuracy of time tracking, as employees no longer had to rely on remembering to clock in manually.

Pros

The customer service when we need guidance on using the software or need assistance with any errors that need correcting.

Cons

Sometimes it is not clear or seems impossible to correct time-clock errors efficiently.

JM
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Jolly M.

Information Technology and Services, 1,001-5,000 employees

Used daily for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend10/10

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Practical guidance for leaders inspiring change.

Reviewed a month ago

Free demo available. Excellent customer service and security.

Pros

Paychex Flex came to my rescue when we needed it most. It ensures accurate and timely payment, compliance with tax laws and regulations and security of our data. It has made things simple leveraging HR experience for our experts.

Cons

This software has helped us solve many different challenges and improve numerous workflows. No challenges encountered.

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christie c.

Consumer Services, 11-50 employees

Used daily for 2+ years

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  • Customer support
  • Likelihood to recommend10/10

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Paychex Flex as easy as 1,2,3!

Reviewed 2 months ago

I have been using Paychex as the manager of a very busy salon. The Paychex Flex app and site is so easy. Adding new employees is a breeze-and it allows the employee to be part of the process eliminating any mistakes. I can check it, review messages and act even if not at the salon. The Team at Paychex is amazing-always helpful and accommodating.

Pros

The EASE of use. Everything in the portal is clearly laid out and user friendly.

Cons

Not available...Love everything about it!

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Jacob W.

Packaging and Containers, 11-50 employees

Used daily for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend9/10

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Paychex Flex Great Time Management Software

Reviewed 2 months ago
Pros

It was very easy to use and navigate. Clocking in and out was a breeze. It was also very easy to adjust time if someone forgot to clock in or out.

Cons

The 401k features were confusing to some people. They thought it could have been a bit more intuitive.

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Renee L.

Computer & Network Security, 11-50 employees

Used weekly for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend9/10

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Pretty good payroll tool for the price

Reviewed 2 months ago

Mostly positive, but it could be a lot better.

Pros

Ease of use, customer service is very responsive, and the local tax lookup feature.

Cons

Setting up a new user can be a little confusing, the interface could be improved. Adding an address for a new user, for example, is very cumbersome; the address validation tool is fickle and often won't accept an address right away.

CM
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Cody M.

Entertainment, 51-200 employees

Used weekly for 1-2 years

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  • Likelihood to recommend8/10

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Streamlined and Simplified Payroll Processing and Ancillary HR Services

Reviewed 2 years ago

Thus far, the experience has been positive and meets all needs of the company. Tax compliance, W-2s, time keeping, and benefits admin all went smoothly through a full annual cycle. The customer service response times are within a reasonable range, and the mobile app surprisingly is very useful due to the simplicity of the overall platform. Employees can also self-serve make a certain number of changes to things like addresses or banking info without the need for an HR team member to service such requests.

Pros

The ease of onboarding and implementation (compared to ADP, for example), as well as the streamlined processes that allow for staff who may not be payroll professionals to accurately run payroll & benefits to a high degree of efficiency.

Cons

The functionality for contractors isn't as great as some other providers I've used in the past (PayReel, for instance). Additionally, the level of sophistication for tax issue or researching problems from state notices, etc. isn't the best I've seen though it is certainly adequate.

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Aline L.

Medical Devices, 11-50 employees

Used weekly for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend6/10

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One-stop shop, but not very customizable

Reviewed 5 years ago
Pros

It is very convenient to have access to the phone application, so you can access information and even run payroll from anytime / anywhere. The add-on Stratustime allows you to track the non-exempt employees' hours and feeds directly into the payroll system.

Cons

Entering one-off payroll data such as expense reimbursement or a medical insurance payback has to be done at the individual level through individual checks. it is difficult to customize access such as giving access to managers to accrue CTO days only, or giving them access to some HR info (number of vacation days, salary) without giving them access to all of it. Also, the marketing is a little aggressive, the company offers so many other side services (writing your employee handbook, offering 401k, etc) that they call you too often with too many proposals, often different people for the same products.

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Kanwal R.

Education Management, 11-50 employees

Used weekly for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend8/10

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Great product

Reviewed 4 years ago

Customer service is the only downside. Otherwise, we are happy with the system itself.

Pros

We used to rely on our accountant in the past. This is a great way to have access to anything at anytime. Another perk is that the employees are able to review their tax documents remotely as well.

Cons

This is not really related to the software itself, but the customer service continues to be an ongoing problem. God forbid if you receive a notice from EDD or IRS, you'll be chasing behind people to follow up. I wish whatever forms are submitted, we can have access to them from a particular page along with the outcomes.

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Lisa K.

Food Production, 51-200 employees

Used daily for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend8/10

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Paychex Flex Review

Reviewed 10 months ago

For the most part positive. Over the years the number one overall best thing about Paychex is their customer service. The platform is easy to use and for the most part user friendly but their customer service is great!

Pros

For the most part well integrated and easy to use. Customer service is stellar compared to other companies that I deal with. They are also very response to comments on proposed changes in the portal, etc.

Cons

Pricing! It has increased quite a bit over the past couple of years with an actual decrease in what we get. And paying for hardware is a lot of money!

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Faith S.

Farming, 501-1,000 employees

Used daily for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend10/10

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The customer support team for this software is so cool. Focused to assisting.

Reviewed a year ago

Very wide coverage of benefits. Paychex Flex is a game changer.

Pros

The customer support team really gave me an overwhelming experience. The assistance they gave at a time I was almost giving up on setting up the software was so satisfying. Ever since they assisted me, Paycheck Flex has been an easy to use software. Extremely helpful in payment management. It provides a great overview of my work and helps in creating a wonderful work environment.

Cons

Five stars worth of performance. Nothing is challenging with Paychex Flex.

JH
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Julie H.

Wholesale, 11-50 employees

Used daily for 1-2 years

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The Worst Payroll Company Out There!

Reviewed 5 years ago

I have been running payroll and in HR for over 17 years so have used many payroll services and Paychex is the absolute WORST - can't wait to switch. Overpriced and you have to do everything yourself including coding their system. Nothing works right once you do (no notifications, biometric time clocks don't record punches, CA payroll laws like 7th day OT never coded) it's truly a complete joke of a company. "Account Manager" does not actually do anything but tell you to call the 877 customer service number and they are beyond ignorant and unhelpful.

Pros

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Cons

Customer service - The worst Assigned Account Manager - Does nothing but tell you to call Cust Service (see above) Helpfulness - None Expensive - YES Knowledgeable - None Compliant - Nope, set up CA payroll laws all wrong Ease of system use - terrible, you need to coded everything yourself Over selling - the best (how about fix your basic customer service and functionality before you continually try and up sell)

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Timothy E.

Retail, 1-10 employees

Used weekly for 1-2 years

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I would rather do payroll myself than continue using Paychex

Reviewed 2 years ago

Terrible. Absolutely terrible! I will NEVER use this company again.

Pros

Every employee has their own login information

Cons

Customer support. I went through THREE account reps before deciding to find someone else, and NONE OF THEM would answer the phone, return calls, or respond to emails. I finally got the retention team on the phone, who assured me that my rep's supervisor would call me on a specific day at a specific time. That phone call never happened. When I spoke with the retention department again, they informed me it was because it was the supervisors last day in that position, as he was getting a promotion. A supervisor with at least 3 team members who cannot be bothered to speak to a customer and couldn't be bothered himself got promoted.

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Teena k.

Business Supplies and Equipment, 201-500 employees

Used daily for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend10/10

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Powerful and feature-rich payroll and HR management software

Reviewed a year ago
Pros

Paychex Flex is its extensive scope of elements, which incorporates finance handling, time and participation following, benefits organization, and HR consistence. The product likewise offers a versatile application, which empowers representatives to see their compensation stubs, advantages, and time-off demands. Its easy to understand interface, which makes it simple for clients to explore and deal with their finance and HR errands. The product additionally gives broad customization choices, permitting organizations to fit their finance and HR cycles to meet their particular necessities.

Cons

sometimes programming can be delayed to load, and that the announcing usefulness could be more vigorous.

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Heather K.

Nonprofit Organization Management, 11-50 employees

Used daily for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend10/10

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Easy to use as an employee

Reviewed 2 years ago

As a user, Paychex provides an easy-to-use platform for time tracking and paycheck information. I downloaded the app but chose to stick with the website due to the straightforward nature of being able to clock in and out quickly, request PTO, and approve employee time tracking with a few clicks in a web browser.

Pros

Paychex is easy to use as an employee. Being able to clock in and out is simple - there is a button to click that records the punches. I've also used the timesheet to manually enter time, which is also straightforward. As a supervisor, seeing my direct report's timesheet is handy. To approve, it's a matter of checking a box for approval - I feel like it could not get any simpler as an end user.

Cons

While easy to use, I'm not too fond of the feature for switching between the employee (self) details and supervisor (direct report) details. A switch role function in the upper corner is not necessarily intuitive. I would love for there to be a way to have it all on the same "home" page rather than having to switch roles. While I personally do not have anything to do with the setup of Paychex, I am going to assume there are some issues from there, as our HR department seemed to have difficulty making updates to the system regularly.

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Jessica P.

Pharmaceuticals, 501-1,000 employees

Used daily for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend8/10

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User Friendly

Reviewed 2 years ago

I love that Paychex Flex is very user friendly.

Pros

I use Paychex Flex to clock in and out daily, check my time card, request time off and for retreiving an W2. I love that this portal is very user friendly. Nothing is hidden. You can easily find what you are looking for using the tabs on the side. You can also customize your home screen to display what you are needed. As soon as I login in I'm able to clock in and out, view how many hours of PTO I have as well as paystubs.

Cons

I would improve being able to have more widgets in the home screen so you are able to see your time card and attendance right on your home screen. It would be easier to track.

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Candace E.

Computer Software, 11-50 employees

Used daily for 6-12 months

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  • Likelihood to recommend7/10

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Paychex Flex the next best electronic payroll system!

Reviewed 7 years ago

The benefits of using Paychex Flex software is that the product is available online to users. Other benefits include being able to select a specific payment plan or subscription suitable for the company to aid the human resources aspects of payroll. Additional benefits include accessing a dashboard with all employee information to be edited or submitted at once. More benefits of utilizing Paychex Flex include developing quick reports such as payroll statistics. Paychex Flex is a good tool to administer payroll for your company.

Pros

Paychex Flex is an online software that human resources personnel can utilize for payroll. Paychex Flex has various subscriptions that company's can select depending on the types of features. Paychex Flex offers an employee dashboard that requires an username, password, and pin number. Paychex Flex allows users to disburse amounts of funds to contractors, employees, vendors, and sponsors. Paychex Flex offers tools, tutorials, and customer support related to the online library and overall application.

Cons

Paychex Flex requires a new verification code upon logging into the dashboard. Users listed in the Paychex Flex may not be deleted depending on administrative rights to complete such an action. Paychex Flex may provide usernames and passwords to administrators and not employees, thus employees may not be able to update time card electronically. Paychex Flex allows time card adjustments to be made by the administrator. Paychex Flex allows payroll adjustments to be made by the administrator.

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Chris B.

Hospital & Health Care, 11-50 employees

Used daily for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend9/10

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Lot's of Payroll options but this one exceedes

Reviewed a year ago

Paychex has been a simple platform to use for time and attendance, payroll management and the reporting tools make it easy for side by side comparisons.

Pros

Paychex has an easy to view dashboard with customizable tiles and which allows you to tailor your experience based on your company. Time and Attendance flows easily and payroll is a breeze. The employee database makes it easy to reference start dates, end dates, pay changes and update banking on the spot. Their database of reporting makes it easy to pull report and customize based on our organization.

Cons

While we do have dedicated support on the account admin side these staff seem to change, so consistency with account managers can be a challenge at times. However, when we do work with them they are attentive and helpful in solving our issues.

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Debbie H.

Information Services, 11-50 employees

Used weekly for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend5/10

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Love the Ease if Online Benefit Administration

Reviewed 6 years ago

Survey software is not something that I usually recommend.

Pros

The best thing about this software is that I can do everything I need to do on my computer or mobile phone at any time of the day or night. The application is very easy to access and I administer payroll, 401k, health, dental and vision benefits, FSA and employee additions/changes over the application. Almost every service I utilize through Paychex is on this application. Invaluable! If I'm out of town I can still submit payroll! WOW! What a game changer Paychex Flex has been! The old way of doing business is out the window with Paychex Flex replacing it in a very positive way!

Cons

There is a couple of items that I would like to see enhanced. In people, I would like the ability to always pull up my preferred view of employees without having to click on the apply button. My preferred view is saved but will not display until I click on apply. Second, on the people drop down menu from the upper right corner, I would like the ability to select that view as well. When that drop down is selected I get all the employees that have ever been entered into the Paychex database - terminated and active. I want to be able to display just the active employees in that drop down. These are just enhancement requests that in no way affect the valuable pros of the application. The items in the cons are just "nice to haves".

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Kym D.

Packaging and Containers, 201-500 employees

Used daily for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend9/10

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Chik-fil-A of HRIS Systems! You will be delighted at their Customer Service Levels!

Reviewed 18 days ago

I like Paychex, especially their customer service. I get assigned a payroll specialist who is dedicated to our team here. We also get a dedicated HRBP who helps us with compliance issues and make sure that we are utilizing all of the Paychex offerings available to us. She alone has made our jobs a lot easier. I can't say enough about Paychex Customer Service. I have a direct email to my Client Services Rep and they respond in minutes, plus they are professional and NICE! They are patient and work along side us to solve problems and give solutions. It's seriously like the Chik-fil-a of HRIS systems when it comes to Customer Service.

Pros

Ease of use and product offering is well rounded, great for a mid-sized company like ours.

Cons

The reporting is awful. It's a very inflexible system and literally my only complaint about the entire product. I wish they could get this right, it would elevate my experience 10 fold.

CJ
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Carla J.

Nonprofit Organization Management, 51-200 employees

Used daily for 6-12 months

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  • Likelihood to recommend7/10

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Who was the Challenge

Reviewed 8 months ago

Very frustrating. Time and Attendance wasnot set up to cover varied time schedules. Majority of our staff work 7 hours or less and it calculated employees PTO at 8 hours.

Pros

We had a difficult payroll and many on the implementation team became frustrated all except our Payroll Manager. She was patient and work with us to get a great product. Even when we decided to leave Paychex, she follow-up to see if we still needed their services until our new payroll vendor was able to get our payroll set up in their system.

Cons

The system is hard to use. Many of the features convert back to original features. The system nor the training received from the implementaion team did not allow the Administrator to make minimal employee information changes. This was frustrating. Also, the assist feature was outdated and was hard to follow the steps to rectify an issue using the help assistant. As well, CSR was not able to assist with any issues either. Very frustrating.

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Cody F.

Biotechnology, 11-50 employees

Used weekly for 1-2 years

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  • Likelihood to recommend5/10

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Great provider (unless your company is within 3 degrees of separation from cannabis)

Reviewed a year ago

It was great until it wasn't. Again, most of our essential services were terminated with only a 30-day notice, and their proposed solution was a handful of complicated workarounds while maintaining our current price, so we were pushed into fast-paced negotiations with alternative vendors.While we used it, though, it was a nice service, particularly the portal itself. Their interface is speedy and well-designed, and while there isn't much in the way of "customer success training" to help figure out exactly how to use it, it's very intuitive once you spend a few months with it figuring out how all the different pieces fit together.Bottom line, the system itself works very well, but don't lean too hard on the parts that involve human beings doing things & making decisions.

Pros

For what we paid, everything worked REALLY well. It met our needs & made payroll a simple and consistent process, which left more time to work on more operations-focused processes. Paychex offered multiple tiers of service & an array of useful add-ons which come together to provide a rich suite of functions for organizations of nearly any size.

Cons

After more than a year of quality service, they kicked us off all our electronic services with only a 30-day notice because we were a "cannabis business", which was not strictly true -- we weren't buying or selling marijuana, but rather a lab performing state-mandated compliance testing. We lost direct deposit, TaxPay, etc., but they wanted to continue charging us the same contract price despite massive loss of service.Customer support was variable quality--we were paying for the tier which included ongoing dedicated support, but our rep changed multiple times over the course of a year, usually without any kind of warning--often we wouldn't find out until we emailed in about something to find they'd been moved to a different department.

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Lillian G.

Hospital & Health Care, 10,001+ employees

Used daily for 2+ years

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  • Likelihood to recommend9/10

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It is very easy to use and has great support

Reviewed a year ago

Since then, many businesses have approached me about switching, but I still haven't found a good enough reason to abandon Paychex Flex. It's simple to use, produces excellent results, and supports my needs promptly. The direct deposit and web portal make payroll simple. It's easy to learn and adapt to the system. Timely reports can be simply integrated with other bookkeeping software.

Pros

In 2017, at the advice of our Accountant, we began using Paychex Flex. I was hesitant because I was the one who always handled payroll through our company's accounting program. But Paychex Flex is so straightforward that I can't imagine ever switching from it to some other payroll system.

Cons

The ability to write notes on an employee's paystub; for instance, a place to mention what the bonus is for when it is given; this would be helpful.

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Anthony S.

Nonprofit Organization Management, 51-200 employees

Used daily for 1-2 years

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  • Likelihood to recommend9/10

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Many features, great value, options to expand capabilities

Reviewed 2 years ago

Paychex Flex seems to do it all: You can access all your HR forms, sick and vacation time, timesheets, if you're a manager you have access to your team, complete HR actions, and much more. The mobile app runs basically the same, although it isn't the most touch-friendly app, it gets the job done. All the features work well, and while the app isn't the most user friendly, it is more than serviceable. There are also features that would be great for our team if we used them, like integration with other HR apps, but that's more an organizational issue. We switched from a different HR app which was completely unusable, and we've been happy ever since.

Pros

It does everything we need for the organization: payroll, time clocks, tracking, coding time, HR benefits, vacation and sick time, organizational forms, etc. There are also a lot of features that we just don't use as an organization. For instance we use a scheduling app (Homebase) for some of our employees and you can integrate Paychex into Homebase to handle the payroll. We came from another system that was very clunk and difficult to use, so the simplicity of Paychex was a breath of fresh air.

Cons

The biggest issue I have, and just a disclaimer I might not be the best trained, is that employee management is time consuming. It's not super difficult, but I often have trouble finding employees on my team, checking and modifying their time, etc. Also signing forms is a bit cumbersome because you have to click around the document yourself, something more like Verisign would be very helpful when dealing with forms.